Columbia river ceramic from the lower columbia river

  BY: "COLUMBIA RIVER ANCIENT RESOURCES" OF
KALAMA, WA.

THESE ARTIFACTS ARE SOME TIMES CALLED "SHOTO CLAY" OF THE PORTLAND BASIN, LAKE VANCOUVER, OR  THE  LOWER COLUMBIA RIVER.

ALL PART OF THE PRIVATE MUSEUM OF ANCIENT PEOPLES OF THE COLUMBIA RIVER AND GREAT BASIN.

 

CLAY TABLET: FROM 45-CL-4: COMMON HAME IS HERZOG SITE,  TWO MILES WEST OF Felida Store. in West Vancouver, lake Dist .found in 1894 ?Great Flood by Grama Roybal. on the honested site. jsc/fvr 1999

SAMPLES OF LAKE RIVER CULTURAL ARTIFACTS. 

 ONE OF ONLY SEVEN KNOWN COMPLETE MOTIFS FROM THE LAKE RIVER COMPLEX NEAR VANCOUVER, WA.  MOTIF # 1

Some people have called this ceramic tradition "THE SHOTO CLAY". 

This information is like incorrect as "Shoto," was a Spanish sailor who was likely a
slave of the local Chinook Indians that lived in the Lake Vancouver area. Its very likely he arrived only years before the Lewis & Clark Expedition in 1804-05.  This motif was found at
"45-CL- 4" sometimes called the "Herzog Site".  Located on the northeast end of Vancouver Lake, near the city of Vancouver, Washington These archaeological sites are PROTECTED FROM DIGGING AND LOOTING. We ask all to respect our state and federal laws and help us and others protect these sites for the future.                                                                          

            Part of the Van Ronk/Smith, Collection and found after the Great Flood of 1894 on private land, an  early American homestead from the 1880's.  Photo from the Van Ronk Collection of art, artifacts, and photos in 2003. and now part of private Museum of "Ancient People of the Columbia River System" 2008  for viewing information see our home page.
Copyright © 2008 Columbia River Ancient Resources at columbiariverman. All Rights Reserved.

All information is for educational proposes only, all the photos are copy-righted and are part of the Private Museum of Ancient Peoples of the Columbia River and Great Basin. Any and all miss use of this information can be used in a court of law for violating copy-righted information.  Please, NOTE:  That any use of these photos or information for looting or trespassing on Federal, State, or Private Lands will result in criminal action. We DO NOT ADVISE YOU OR ANYONE TO DIG, EXCAVATE, OR LOOT THESE PROTECTED ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES.   IF YOU DO AND GET CAUGHT ITS 30 DAYS IN THE COUNTY JAIL AND A $ 5,000.00 FINE OR BOTH.  We respect the law of the land and expect you to honor it also.

    Examples of lake river ceramics some times call "shoto clay" from the inland lake system north of Vancouver lake, on the west side of Vancouver, WA. We believe these vary rare ceramic artifacts are from a group of mysterious people who walked into the Pacific Northwest about 850 years ago to 900 years ago.  They stayed but about 50 years and walked out?  We believe they went east into Southern Idaho, and stayed but a few years and moved on into the Great Basin. Who were these people is a great question? Did they come from the Southwest? Where they part of a Anasazi Group that moved out of the Southwest then the population became to large to feed on the poor rain fall? All of these questions need to be answered and will be answered some day when a very small group of angry American Indians stop hating others over the past.

       All of these artifacts are part of the private museum of Ancient People of the Lower Columbia River located in Kalama, WA  The information is free and is for educational purposes only. All of these examples were found after the great flood of 1894 and are a part of the Smith/Van Ronk collections. Viewing these rare artifacts is possible upon reasonable request. see museum home page for viewing times. Copyright © 2008 Columbia River Ancient Resources at columbiariverman. All Rights Reserved.

MOTIF # 4,  SAMPLES OF LAKE RIVER CULTURAL ARTIFACTS. 

    THIS ONE OF ONLY SEVEN KNOWN COMPLETE MOTIFS FROM THE COMPLEX.  Some people have called this ceramic tradition "THE SHOTO CLAY". This information is like incorrect as "Shoto," was a Spanish sailor who was likely a slave of the local Chinook Indians that lived in the Lake Vancouver area.  Its very likely Shoto arrived only years before the Lewis & Clark Expedition in 1804-05. If your interested what has the face to say to you? Do you think its American Indian? Do you think the face is Asian? What do the marks on the face tell? Please let us know your thoughts. e-mail me at columbiariverman@msn.com  Please no hate letters.

This motif was found at "45-CL- 4" sometimes called the "Herzog Site". Located on the northeast end of Vancouver Lake, near the city of Vancouver, Washington.  Part of the Van Ronk/Smith, Collection and found after the Great Flood of 1894 on private land, an early American homestead.

Photo from the Van Ronk Collection of art, artifacts, and photos in 2003.
Copyright © 2008 Columbia River Ancient Resources at columbiariverman. All Rights Reserved.

     What do we have above here in these three photos? More ceramic art and artifacts from the Lower Columbia River Valley.  These three figurine were found at 45-CL-4 THE HERZOG SITE Located several miles west and north of Vancouver, WA, near the Fleidia Moorage. could these figurines have some religious or spiritual meaning? Could these artifacts have a sexual meaning and if so what and why? Could we just simply say they are ancient people just drawing or making some attempt to write? What do you believe these markings and drawing reveal? Could we have some types of funerary or mortuary art? If so why all the cuneiform marking of indent clay? What do you believe these tri-Angle and cuneiform marking represent?  We believe each artifacts tells a different tale and story, each different  tablet and sphere offer a different analysis to our viewers.

   So we ask all of you to put aside all your political and non-archaeological view and prove to all that we can work together toward resolving what these precious rare artifacts are telling all of us about the human experience  PLEASE, forward them to,  columbiariverman@msn.com Copyright © 2008 Columbia River Ancient Resources at columbiariverman. All Rights Reserved.

      Examples of Lake River Ceramics also call "Shoto Clay," from 45-CL-4 also called the Herzog Site. These tablets tell a story about what? Who were these ancient travelers? Where did they come from? Could this be Asian Group traveling into the Americas? Could this be a few ship wreck Chinese or Korean that survived a great Pacific storm and were incorporated into the local Chinook Bands? Or are these just a phase within the local Chinook Bands experimenting with local mud clays?  How much of the tablets tell a story of a Vision Quest? While others have claimed it's a example of early Sumerian civilization, cuneiform script? Then how did it arrive in the Americas so late about 1150 to 1200 AD.

      What ever, who ever, why other, these Ceramics manufacturing people arrived and stayed about 50 years will remain a mystery until this POST MODERN GROUP OF SOCIAL WORKERS ARE REMOVED FROM POWER.  We wish that sometime in the near future that archaeology again  becomes a honorable and is legal permitted profession within the Pacific Northwest. We advocate for the discipline of archaeology as a science as most of the real world has developed and maintains.  We believe that in the Pacific Northwest the spirit of learning and the human experience of wanting to know has been destroyed by a very very few angry and hateful American Indians who would along with a few PhD Social Workers turn the time clock back 200 hundred years or more. We and the vast majority of the American citizens see a very very few armed and sometime violent groups protesting over bones and who they were simply out of anger and hate.  We see this same fundamentalist group of wild men using profanity, cursing archaeologist and even forcing them to wear bullet proof vest to excavate a Early Man Site in the Pacific Northwest.

   We do not wish to see these same violent fundamentalist controlling any science or research on "Who were the first Americans."  And in the same wish to expose those wild, violent  and cursing few for destroying American Pre-History as some are doing out of anger and uncontrollable hate.   We believe that over 99 % of the American population refused to be held as hostages by a very very few angry and self-centered wild men that for the most part fit the description of a "Terrorists.  We advocate for archaeology, as a science, and that most Americans have the legal and legitimate right to study and research about America before Columbus. We know that scientist be them archaeologist need to be a target of any fundamentalist murder who would for his or her anger take the live of another human.  We believe in civil-rights of the human spirit, that includes the legal right to study and research about the human spirit. Fear, form a few deranged few will not destroy the human spirit to knowledge.

  All reasonable answers will be read, but please no hate mail we don't slander you with profanity. Yet, its fine to have a difference about archaeology, but its not to tells lies and slander us about ownership of art and artifacts or about issues that occurred 100 years ago to 300 years ago. The past is just that the past. Copyright © 2008 Columbia River Ancient Resources at columbiariverman. All Rights Reserved.

VENUS OF THE NEW WORLD

  The above photo is one of the most interesting artifacts and forms of art to be found in the "New World".  Many people refer to the item above as the "Venus of the New World." also found after the Great Flood of the Columbia River in 1894, at the 45-CL-4 known as the "Herzog Site" near the present City of Vancouver, WA. We believe this to be one of the rarest and finest high quality forms of art ever found in North America.                                                                                      

      Exactly what it is or it meaning in a Pre-Historical America has only been explored a tiny little. What ever the message is telling, its likely a female. However, could this be a female baby? Could this be a female doll wrapped in a bundle as in a burial bundle? Could the artifacts represent a fertility God or Goddess?  As in the "Venus Dolls" of Central Europe, which depict a form of female fertility and reproduction?  What exactly the creator message is still up for debate and needs more study and research. What ever the message tells is still un-clear, but the art and artifacts must remain in a Museum for the generations and students of the future.

   If you have input to feed into this mystery artifact please respond, but again as before no anger or hate is allowed. Please leave that for your anger management class and lets do some creating writing. The Doll of the New World is part of the Smith/Van Ronk Private Collection located in Kalama, WA. If you wish to view her personal, please request a date and time as we refuse nobody need to view and report except those who wish to violate our legal right to house these unique and rare artifacts. Please understand, these rare relics of the past are as well protected in this Private Museum as any Public Museum where they would set in dusty old drawer for nobody to share. Copyright © 2008 Columbia River Ancient Resources at columbiariverman. All Rights Reserved.

      Two more Motif # 5 and Motif # 7. Both Motif # 5 and Turtle were found at the Herzog Site, 45-CL-4,  near Vancouver, WA.  Motif # 6 is located the Clark County Historical Museum in Vancouver, WA.  We have a photo of the artifact but do not have their permission to show that artifact on this web-page. I'm sure your welcome to view the artifacts if you request of the Historical Museum.  We are not sure about Motif # 5 only that it appears to be male with closed eyes. The center Item is likely a small turtle bowl? We believe that "Turtle Bowl" is one of the Clan Groups of the period? If so, we have determined that Coyote or Bear as seen above in Motif # 3 are likely one of the other Clan Groups?  Given this information as some what fact, then what was the other Clan Group?

     Again, we ask all interested people both professional and amateur to put you input in to solving what the ceramic culture amounts too? Could this be just a small group of Chinook People playing with clay? We think we have some evidence to state that? Could this assemblage consists of a more complex Chinook Culture with fingers into belief systems, Clan Grouping, and Burial ritual or even a rite of passage? Could the clay manifest as others have suggested a small group of clay workers who were just traveling through the Lower Columbia River Valley? If so did these people just move eastward into Idaho and then into the Great Basin as others have suggested?                                                                                                                                        

    What ever or who ever these clay workers were is still not completely clear. We ask you to present your opinions based on your viewing the art and artifacts not on some idealist or political philosophy that's not archaeology.  All the art or artifacts above are part of the Smith/Van Ronk Collections. All or most are housed in the Private Collection of "Columbia River Ancient Resources" located in Kalama, WA.  We are open to the public upon reasonable request at no charge. Our Goals is for all to enjoy Pacific Northwest science and archaeology and leave your personal ideology at home. Copyright © 2008 Columbia River Ancient Resources at columbiariverman. All Rights Reserved.

     The above photo is of Archaeological Site 45-CL-4 also known as the Herzog Site.  The location is Clark, County Washington State, and is located on Private Land West of the City of Vancouver. WA. We don't believe in looting or excavating any of these sites without State and Federal Government Permits. This Archeological Site is Protected by Washington State Law and US Federal Law. Any persons or person who violates that law and is caught can receive up to 30 days in the Clark Co. Jail and a 5,000.00 USD fine. If you use this educational web-site for your looting and digging goals and we discover that you have used this web-site for looting, we will inform the state and federal authorities about your looting and help in your prosecution for looting of a Archaeological Site. We believe that only professionals archaeologist, and those who might be qualified under their control have the legal right to excavate with a legal permit.      Copyright © 2008 Columbia River Ancient Resources at columbiariverman. All Rights Reserved.

     Examples of Lake River Ceramics also call "Shoto Clay," from 45-CL-4 also called the Herzog Site. These tablets tell a story about what? Who were these ancient travelers? Where did they come from? Could this be the survivor of one of the Chinese or Japanese warships traveling into uncharted waters?  Could this be a few ship wreck Chinese or Korean that survived a great Pacific storm and were incorporated into the local Chinook Bands? Perhaps, just a phase within the local Chinook Bands experimenting with local mud clays and stumbled on to how to fire and bake Ceramics?  Do the tablets tell a story of a Vision Quest, how about rows of lines, and what about cuneiform style of markings?  While others have claimed it's a example of early Sumerian civilization, cuneiform script? Then how did it arrive in the Americas so late about 1150 to 1200 AD. We believe these and other unanswered question deserved to have a answers. How about your views, on this clay?

     How about your views about Public ownership of such artifacts? Should all objects of Northwest Archaeology be in the Public hands? Should all such art and artifacts be returned to American Indians without any compensation to the finders and owners? Should all Public and Private inventories be returned to the Tribes, even if they destroy the artifacts? Should all study and research be stopped and rewritten by the American Indians even if it means the end of science? These questions above are indeed part of the Post-Modern Archaeology taught by many Pacific Northwest Colleges and Universities. Do you believe that we need balance within the field of Modern Archaeology?  Do our Universities need more Moderates and less Left-winged socialist who advocate archaeology from there PhD tenured Professional level of one philosophy and only from the left?

    We ask that you please answers these questions if you have a love for the archaeology even if your not a professional.  We believe that its important to turn archaeology back to common sense and balance and let science have a place at the table?

The above photos are of artifacts found at 45-CL-4 also know as the Herzog Site on Lake River. near Vancouver, WA.  Photo # 1 is of some small balls shaped somewhat like a glass marble. What their use was is up for a answer? Photo # 2 is a group of clay beads that show signs of firing in a Kiln.  Photo # 3 is a example of projectile points found with the ceramics.  We are sorry that we don't have space to display more of the Lake River Ceramic Collection at this time. Please remember we are open to the public upon reasonable request.  We hope your visit has been educational and you will have enjoyed our web-page. THE END OF PAGE 8 THANKS.